nyt
4 hours ago
I had posted the information to you in the morn around 8:30. You had no problem replying to greenback club in the afternoon, but no reply to me for the whole day. By the time I said something about it, it was late night. Also, most airlines have wifi available.
All 3 family plans from AT&T, as the details I posted show, include internet. It is not extra. That's true of pretty much all cell plans...they come with internet. It's not extra, so I don't know why you say you're paying an additional charge of $90. They simply do not charge extra for internet. Support does not cost extra either. All cellphone deals have support available. I'm sure the law says they must offer some kind of support when something isn't working right or you have questions. My guess is that would be universal with all cell phone plans. So you must be talking about having purchased other premium services, like I said in my orig post. For example:
No, support doesn't cost extra on AT&T cellular family plans. However, there may be additional costs for apps and data plans.
Apps
AT&T Secure Family: This app costs $7.99 per month, with the first 30 days free. The subscription renews automatically each month unless canceled.
So THAT is not "support", it's a way to spy on your kids...
Also, as I mentioned, ea one of the 3 family plans comes with data. It's not extra. They have some special extra data that can be purchased but I don't see where that is needed on the family plans.
So bottom line is most likely some salesman thought he got "a live one" on the line when you called for service and sold you all kinds of unnecessary or mostly unnecessary extras which, if you really pay $470 per mo, they cost you more than double the cost of the family plan, regardless of which of the 3 plans you have. If it's the top of the line plan at $50.99 per line, you're paying more than double! If the middle tier plan at $40.99, then you're paying near triple and if it's the cheapest family plan at $35.99 per line, your paying closer to 3 and a half times the price. Which plan do you have? If you actually wanted all those extras, then it's not at all fair for you to state how cellular family plans cost $470 or more, like you said in OP. And if you did not need or want all those extras they got you for, then it looks like I've been able to save you over $250 per month very easily...
The high end family plan on AT&T, which comes with ALOT, is only $50.99 per mo. And THEY are the most expensive carrier out there currently. This goes to my original point, that due to competition and fair market practices, it resulted in the most value for your money than ever before and more choices, features and functions, NOT the other way around! Looks like you called them and said "gimme 4 lines with all the toppings and sock it to me good, thankyou very much!!!
DeerBalls
12 hours ago
$.00878, VWAP $.0089, UP 7%...GREEN, GREEN, GREEN; three in a row! Well, all I am hearing is GREAT! Different sources, but all GREAT and the stock is picking up a bit!
Again, the VWAP is volume weighted average price and it gives a better idea of trading in a stock, vs. open/close, over the given period. VPLM will show in PPS when things really heat up and I don't think that will be too long! No new lows and trading around 75% above the recent low of $.005...
It has gone pretty quiet here and that is fine. When the VPLM 🚀 blasts off, wonder what will be said then... You know ROARING🦌🏀z will be up for some smack-talk...
Don't forget, we still have the reconsideration hanging, as is the HUGE amzn lawsuit... MANY CATALYSTS...Target still $.85/share(nearly100 to one from here)......ROARING🦌🏀z out!
nyt
22 hours ago
Something is very wrong here. You should not be paying anything close to $470, even tho AT&T is the most expensive carrier out there, by far. So again, I must ask you...are you paying for other things also, like insurance, cost of phones, or an other special fees above and beyond 4 line including data? If so, you can't count extras when looking at service line cost. If you do have any of those extras, it sounds highly exorbitant. If you do not have any extras, then I have to say you are either greatly mistaken about what your bill is or you're being ripped off somehow...
My carrier is Visible. They are an MVNO and a subsidiary of Verizon. My service is on the Verizon network. I get the same service as regular Verizon with these exceptions: my bill is $25 all inclusive of any taxes and fees. My internet is truly unlimited with no throttling or data caps. It does have what is known as "prioritization", which means that at times when traffic/usage is heavy, the system automatically lowers my data speed so that that regular Verizon customers continue to recieve full speed. Most of the time it's not noticeable. If you need it, I'm sure your plan gives you faster data speeds.
AT&T has 3 family plans currently. Here they are:
Our best plan
AT&T Unlimited Premium® PL
$
50.99/mo. per line
when you get 4 lines
Unlimited talk, text, & high-speed data that can’t slow down based on how much you use
AT&T ActiveArmorSM advanced security
Free app with Spam Call Blocking, Public Wi-Fi Protection, Identity Monitoring, and more.
See details
60GB hotspot data per line per month
Unlimited talk, text & high-speed data in 20 Latin American countries
No extra cost.
4K UHD streaming available
AT&T Signature Program member
With the Signature Program, you’ll save $10/mo. or $120 per year, per line, when you get up to 5 lines.
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AT&T Unlimited Extra® EL
$
40.99/mo. per line
when you get 4 lines
Unlimited talk, text, data + 75GB of high-speed data
After 75GB, AT&T may temporarily slow data speeds if the network is busy.
AT&T ActiveArmorSM advanced security
Free app with Spam Call Blocking, Public Wi-Fi Protection, Identity Monitoring, and more.
See details
30GB hotspot data per line per month
Standard streaming
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AT&T Unlimited Starter® SL
$
35.99/mo. per line
when you get 4 lines
Unlimited talk, text & data
AT&T may temporarily slow data speeds if the network is busy.
AT&T ActiveArmorSM security
Free app with Spam Call Blocking and more.
See details
5GB hotspot data per line per month
Standard streaming available
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AT&T bases their family plans on a per line basis, so the top plan is $50.99 per line for a total of slightly over $200 per mo. Taxes and fees are extra. There are certain limitations such as your Hotspot are limited, depending on which plan used. My Hotspot is unlimited but likely slower speed than yours.
Your next level down on family plans is $40.99. Has some limitations. So that would be slightly over $160 per.
The 3rd level is $35.99 so around $140 p/m
So you have $200, $160 and $140 per mo on AT&T's 3 available family plans. How do you come up with $470?
Verizon has a 4 line family plan for $100.
myPlan for just $25/line - Switch and save at Verizon - Our most flexible plans ever
Unlimited Welcome $25/line/month for 4 lines with Auto Pay. Plus taxes & fees. When you bring your own phones. Terms apply. Choose Your Plan Perks. Special Offers.
Tmobile has two 4 line family plans. The budget one is $120 and the top plan is $240
VVVVVV
22 hours ago
Let’s not forget there’s Amazon with a pending trial date, yet to be determined. New “bet the farm” attorney (LMAO), joining the fight.
A joint venture with these three companies, would be the logical course to take. A few billion each, Win-win, IMHO. Take over the RBR patents, and recoup their investment.
I can’t imagine anyone one of these companies would want Amazon owning VPLM!
It’s going to get interesting, IMHO
nyt
1 day ago
If you are paying $470 for a family plan, I'll venture you are being ripped off royally! Or if you just believe that's the kind of costs out there, you're sorely mistaken and believing someone's major BS. I pay $25 for everything, unlimited, no throttling, a hotspot, no taxes or other fees, texting to Canada and Mexico, etc. There is no family plan so a family of 4 would pay $100 flat. I know Verizon postpay has 2 lines for $55.
As of early 2025, the average cost for a cellular family plan with multiple lines of unlimited data is around $100 per month for a four-line plan, with carriers like T-Mobile often offering the most competitive pricing, while Verizon and AT&T may be slightly higher depending on the specific plan chosen; remember to factor in potential taxes and fees when comparing prices.
Key points about average family plan costs:
Variation by carrier:
T-Mobile generally offers the most affordable family plan options, followed by Verizon and then AT&T.
Number of lines:
A four-line family plan typically costs around $100 per month for unlimited data, while a two-line plan might be significantly cheaper.
Consider promotions:
Check for current promotions and discounts when comparing plans, as carriers often offer deals to attract new customers.
It is all the competition that has been out there that has resulted in the cheapest prices ever, in the history of cellular plus ever increasing functions and services.
I'd love to hear exactly what you're getting for $470?....who charges that for what? And as, I've already pointed out, who would want a standalone wifi calling plan? Especially with a family, you will always need the network calling when away from home. So wifi calling by itself is a stupid idea. Instead, you get the tremendous value of network AND wifi calling, whichever is needed at the time.
You sound highly misinformed. There is no monopoly. There is no antitrust. There is no huge unfair profits such as, you suggest. My phone and all the services I get with it, is easily the best bargain and value I've ever gotten from anything..
What do you have, a family of 12 plus a bunch of expensive phones to be paid off as part of your bill.
DeerBalls
1 day ago
$.00825, VWAP $.0083, UP 2%: Green again, I LIKE IT!
"Not newsworthy"? Well, my feeling is that might be about to change... VPLM "not newsworthy", but worth the time for thousands of posts...🙃🤔? Whatever...
So, we get the service extension and still waiting on the reconsideration... All good!
Got to keep throwing this out there: If I'm wrong(YEAH, RIGHT!!!🤣), 100% down from here... Now, if I'm correct, we hit my $.85/share target, that's 100+ times on $$ investment or 10,000% return... Put in $100, it becomes $10,000...$1000 becomes $100,000...$10,000 becomes a $MIL. Most can figure this out, but don't think about it. VPLM, for many, will be very positively meaningful... THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE! Some don't and that's what makes a market.
All the chatter is just that until the end. Asking/receiving a service extension is HUGE; it ain't happening without positive conversations between litigants, in my belief.
"Not newsworthy" with the largest class-action/anti-trust/RICO lawsuits ever, just simmering below the surface??? REALLY? OK, we will see...
Ah, what the heck: PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE AND VPLM IS SITTING IN ITS BEST POSITION EVER... I heard that somewhere before... ROARING 🦌🏀z OUT!
I really don't think Ray Leon and others signed on for chump-change!
GreenBackClub
2 days ago
VOIP-PAL.COM, INC v. AT&T INC. et al
District Of Columbia District Court
Judge: Randolph D Moss
Case #: 1:24-cv-03051
Nature of Suit 410 Other Statutes - Antitrust
Cause 15:1 Antitrust Litigation
Case Filed: Oct 25, 2024
Docket
Parties (54)
Docket last updated: 9 hours ago
Tuesday, January 21, 2025
order Order on Motion for Extension of Time to Set/Reset Deadlines Tue 01/21 8:00 PM
MINUTE ORDER: Upon consideration of Plaintiff's First Motion to Extend the Time for Service of Process, Dkt.8 , it is hereby ORDERED that the motion is GRANTED and that Plaintiff must effectuate service of process on Defendants on or before April 23, 2025. Signed by Judge Randolph D. Moss on 1/21/2025. (lcrdm1)
—
INZA et al v. AT&T INC. et al
District Of Columbia District Court
Judge: Randolph D Moss
Case #: 1:24-cv-03054
Nature of Suit 410 Other Statutes - Antitrust
Cause 15:1 Antitrust Litigation
Case Filed: Oct 25, 2024
Docket
Parties (56)
Docket last updated: 9 hours ago
Tuesday, January 21, 2025
order Order on Motion for Extension of Time to Set/Reset Deadlines Tue 01/21 7:26 PM
MINUTE ORDER: Upon consideration of Plaintiffs' First Motion for Extension of Time to Serve, Dkt.6 , it is hereby ORDERED that the motion is GRANTED. Plaintiff may effect service on or before April 23, 2025. Signed by Judge Randolph D. Moss on 1/21/2025. (lcrdm2)
DeerBalls
2 days ago
$.0081, VWAP $.0081, UP 8%: A double GREEN $.0081, that's got to be GREAT, right?
Hearing some great things, but it's a "he said", "he said", "he said" situation, so just take it for that...
Looking for some developments soon... I would guess the chats must be going well...
Looking forward... ROARING🦌🏀z OUT!
nyt
3 days ago
Laughable how some who lack intelligence openly show it to the world by trying to sound intelligent and failing. That's what too much processed cheese does to them. You are quite right and it's an important overarching point......that NO ONE has shown any concern for vplm for all these yrs. Says it all, rather than all the pseudo intellectualizing over ea and every smaller point. I'll never forget how Vplm was afraid to send out infringement letters for a very long time while being urged to do so. Then finally they sent some of the letters BUT they were not serious. They informed the accused infringers that "they might be" infringing and should look into it. They were basically love letters not infringement letters. And one by one, ea company told vplm they were not infringing and they should go pound salt. The companies were not the least bit concerned then and haven't been since. Sometimes you hear the dumb argument that goes "then why do they fight back against vplm in court"......because they can't process the simple idea that when accused you have to defend yourself or be found guilty by default. And we mustn't forget that these same dumb cheeseheads keep donating monies to the emus go fund me page so there's always plenty of cash or shares at vplm disposal to keep the WHOPPERS coming that seem to support their scheme ongoing.
Common sense should tell truly intelligent peeps that if the patents were really all they've been cracked up to be by the lying vplm, ie, worth more than pretty much ANYTHING been on the market ever, when all considerations are taken into account, one or more of the big dog telecoms would've snatched up the patents long ago and in doing so, secured an untold fortune PLUS at the same time, made sure that none of their competitors snatched up the patents out from under them. I've been saying for the last 8 to 10 years that human nature dictates that a mountain of gold would never be left sitting in the middle of the road just waiting to get snatched up. That is very common sense. It just doesn't happen. So that overarching truth negates any and all of the smaller arguments that try to explain how and why vplm is doing well in this fight.
Dontnosheet
3 days ago
If this doesn’t concern both T-Mobile and Amazon, I’d be shocked!
Be prepared to be shocked. No one has been concerned about VPLM for the last 20 years and they certainly are not about to be. Obviously your post was lacking common sense. Oh, are we really going to start with the Euro patents again?? LMAO!!
But, that’s me.
Yep, you and about a dozen other practical thinkers, LMAO!!! The rest of the world disagrees.
VVVVVV
3 days ago
Well, in case you haven’t heard, VPLM is requesting that the Court grant a 90-day extension of the time for service of process, with Verizon and AT&T.
This extension will allow the parties to discuss Verizon and AT&T’s REQUEST, and NEGOTIATE a settlement to this dispute!!!!
And that pal, is a LMAO!!!
If this doesn’t concern both T-Mobile and Amazon, I’d be shocked! I can’t imagine either company would want Verizon and AT&T owning VPLM’s patents, aka RBR ‘606 plus the ‘815/‘005, Euro patents and the antitrust/RICO cases!….. But, that’s me.
IMHO
nyt
4 days ago
Mandate...no mandate....who gives a shit? If the public likes and wants EVs, the manufacturers will build and sell them. Trump doesn't even understand the meaning of the word mandate. He claims he was given a mandate by the voters....meanwhile he won by how much....1.5% or something like that? I think all the previous recent presidents had much larger percentages than that. I don't call that a mandate.
When Vplm hired that Aussie boutique bank or whatever it was, to go ahead and try to sell the patents, it claimed to have a mandate from Vplm to do so. At the time, I posted there was no mandate, just a request or an allowance for them to try. The response to me was I was making something out of nothing. There is so misuse of words. Meanings count. Meanings matter.
DeerBalls
6 days ago
$.0076, VWAP $.0075, down 4% The filing for an extension of time to serve IS FABULOUS NEWS. I'm going to have to support our LEGAL TEAM/Ray Leon and their decisions! Our LEGAL TEAM and Ray Leon have infinitely more knowledge as to where things sit than anyone...and, what move is appropriate.
I'm going to cover a few subjects which have come up lately and in the past: A transaction takes a BUYER AND SELLER, STILL and stocks can not drop 400%, nor can stocks drop any more than 100%....
If the amzn settlement was just a VPLM CYA to avoid amzn charges of frivolous litigation AND their legal fees put on VPLM, WHY DO WE STILL HAVE A HUGE amzn LAWSUIT PENDING????? Please, help me here!
The "wonder" whether the defendants are aware of discussions....I WOULD BET MY HOLDINGS ON IT! VPLM LEGAL TEAM SAID SO IN FEDERAL COURT!
NO LEGAL COSTS FROM ANY DEFENDANT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO VPLM! The reconsideration has not even been ruled on....
I'm not Rich/Emil/Ray/G-Rick, nor do I have multiple identities here... Just a thought: If I were all these other identities, what good would it be posting TO MYSELF?????? Logic-ME THAT!
Oh, almost forgot; VPLM is audited and uplisted to OTC QB. A prediction, long ago, was made saying VPLM would never audit/uplist... Guess who?
I have a decent holding here and have introduced VPLM to many, many; that is WHY I POST! Can't figure why those with no interest in VPLM would spent so much time coming up with the idiotic attempts at dogging VPLM, but have at it!
A VERY EXCITED ROARING 🦌⚽️Z OUT!
nyt
6 days ago
Now, there are over 192,000 publicly available charging ports with approximately 1,000 new public chargers being added each week. This progress is a testament to the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and the catalyzing effect it has had on private investments for EV charging infrastructure.Aug 27, 2024
https://highways.dot.gov › newsroom
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New battery technologies
Solid-state batteries: These batteries are more efficient and safer than lithium-ion batteries. They have a solid electrolyte material that is fireproof.
Graphene-based batteries: These batteries have improved conductivity and charge rates.
NanoBolt lithium tungsten batteries: These batteries have a web-like structure that increases the surface area for ions to attach to.
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Lithium-ion batteries
AI-driven innovations are improving the performance and safety of lithium-ion batteries.
Universities are exploring new materials and chemistries to improve lithium-ion batteries.
Researchers are working to reduce the cost of lithium-ion batteries.
Other battery technologies
IBM Research is developing a new battery chemistry that is free of heavy metals and can out-perform lithium-ion batteries.
Energy Dome is developing a CO2 battery that could be a major step forward for long-duration energy storage.
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Large water usage:
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Drilling and related infrastructure can disturb natural habitats and wildlife populations.
Induced seismicity:
In some cases, wastewater injection from fracking operations can trigger small earthquakes.
If you don't yet see what the pollution from burning fossil fuels has done to the environment, you never will... M
nyt
6 days ago
He's a demogogue. And there's around 5 million electric cars on the road just in the US who don't give a damn what he thinks about it. Electric cars will undoubtedly continue to increase. The negatives will melt away with the power of the sun. The emu thinks he's a leader too (self appointed), but everything he touched failed except selling shares based on lies. Both are chronic, habitual, psychopathic liars. Emu's latest whopper... In all the yrs since getting the now patented software, he never once used the word wifi calling in their descriptions. Until now, with the dumb monopoly suits, he now, all of a sudden out of nowhere, claims to have created wifi calling. I used wifi calling before the patents were even thought of. What a liar!
chazzy1
6 days ago
I agree DesktopDR. Actually, Trump is saying "no" to an EV mandate. Elon Musk himself has stated that the infrastructure for widespread use of EVs does not exist. Judge Albright is a Trump appointee, and Albright has the repution of being a "patent-friendly" judge. This would strongly suggest that Trump is on the side of the innovator or patent owner. Therefore, my view is that if we see some type of patent reform, it will be in the direction of strengthening the rights and protections of patent owners, not the reverse. JMHO.