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trunkmonk trunkmonk 5 minutes ago
the largest of them all is where the most problems are. I know many vets over many years who have to go through many hoops just to either get denied or portions of the beni's they fought for. Come to think of it, we GSE shareholders resemble their struggle. We have many snakes in a pit who hate common shareholders who have tried everything they could to steal our company and share value from us. yup, the bigger the dept, the more corrupt it is. How many at FHFA....600...doing exactly what, getting tattoos or offering to kiss them???
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jog49 jog49 6 minutes ago
Apparently you didn't see the memo. Not only is a village looking for KT, so is security from a mental institution.
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trunkmonk trunkmonk 9 minutes ago
yup which indicates they are a part of it, or just hate hate hate GSE shareholders, or both.
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Rodney5 Rodney5 23 minutes ago
Apparently, these bastards don't care about the hurt that was caused to many innocent people. Keep preaching more theft.
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navycmdr navycmdr 25 minutes ago
Government Jobs at This Agency Pay $248,000. Here’s Where Federal Workers Make the Most Money.

By Anita Hamilton Dec 05, 2024

https://www.barrons.com/articles/highest-paying-civilian-federal-government-jobs-8f3a385d

Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) Employee Salaries

The average employee salary for the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) in 2023 was $183,288.

This is 155.5 percent higher than the national average for government employees and 137.7 percent
higher than other federal agencies.

There are 1,226 employee records for Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA).



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trunkmonk trunkmonk 30 minutes ago
Ignore clowns, thats my thing here. we need to stay close with all the facts, then when they either screw up or realize its worse to screw shareholders, we will be ready to either buy more ores for our boats, or pay lawyers to get hundreds of billions back from the thieves. either way, we will win. I do think it may even end up with dividends as fOf said earlier today, that is definitely on the table, and dilution is more palatable under that scenario.
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Rodney5 Rodney5 36 minutes ago
“file your own lawsuit, shut up, or be shown to be a hypocrite.”

What about that poor shareholder who doesn't have the funds to file a lawsuit, but certainly knows his money vanished by theft? Or the widow woman suffering though the taking of private property who knows it was stolen? Or the police officer whose life savings invested in the Austin Retirement Police Officers fund who is unable to retire because his money was robbed from him? What about that? Are these people hypocrites because their unable to file a lawsuit? Hypocrite by reason you say so.?
What about the JPS purchase just a few months before the take down Treasury knowing the companies would be take over yet allowed the sell to take place? Is this person a hypocrite?
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FOFreddie FOFreddie 52 minutes ago
Thanks Nats! My guess is that there is a framework for a plan in place right now and some in the market may know what it is. The answer has to be somewhere between dilution oblivion by KT and those who think the UST will walk away from at least an 80% stake. The DJT Letter referenced making money for the UST and how shareholders were screwed so perhaps the solution will be closer to what DJT has already espoused which would seem to be more generous that what John Paulson has stated? Definitely more generous that KT scenarios?
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JSmith5 JSmith5 1 hour ago
True enough!

Nats
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navycmdr navycmdr 1 hour ago
Treasury already has a Warrant repurchase Plan ... (an example)

Treasury Announces Warrant Repurchase and Disposition Process for the Capital Purchase Program

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/200962612255225533

2009-6-26-12-25-52-25533

Today, Treasury is announcing its policy with respect to the disposition of the warrants received in connection with investments made under the Capital Purchase Program (CPP). In the case of investments in publicly-traded institutions, Treasury received warrants to purchase common shares which have not been exercised. (In the case of institutions that are not publicly-traded, Treasury received warrants to purchase preferred stock or debt and these warrants were exercised immediately upon closing the initial investment so they are no longer outstanding.)

Repurchasing Warrants under the CPP Contract

When a publicly-traded institution repays Treasury's CPP investment, the original contract under the CPP provides the bank a right to repurchase the warrants at fair market value via an independent valuation process. The relevant sections of the transaction documentation describing this process can be found in the Warrants FAQ on www.financialstability.gov.

The warrant repurchase process works as follows:

Step 1: Within 15 days of repayment, a bank wishing to repurchase the warrants should submit a determination of fair market value to Treasury.
Step 2: Treasury will ensure that taxpayers' interests are protected by conducting a process (described below) to determine whether or not to accept the bank's initial determination. Under the contract, Treasury has 10 days to respond to the initial determination.
Step 3: If Treasury objects to the bank's determination and cannot reach agreement with the bank regarding fair market value, the transaction documents outline an appraisal procedure by which the two parties will reach a final price. In this appraisal procedure, the bank and Treasury will each select an independent appraiser. These independent appraisers will conduct their own valuations and attempt to agree upon the fair market value.
Step 4: If these appraisers fail to agree, a third appraiser is hired, and subject to some limitations, a composite valuation of the three appraisals is used to establish the fair market value.

In order to protect taxpayers in this process, Treasury has developed a robust set of procedures for evaluating repurchase offers in Step 2 above. Treasury's determination of value is based on three categories of input:
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jog49 jog49 1 hour ago
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT FIGHTING LAWSUITS. IF YOU SUE FHFA, THEY FIGHT YOU (SHAREHODER) WITH YOUR OWN MONEY AND IF YOU SUE TREASURY, THEY FIGHT YOU (SHAREHOLDER) WITH TAXPAYER MONEY. EITHER WAY, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COST AND IT KEEPS THE LAWYERS EMPLOYED.
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JSmith5 JSmith5 1 hour ago
Thanks FOFreddie - I'll leave the mechanics to those who are more financially astute.

Nats
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nagoya1 nagoya1 1 hour ago
It's mostly from the GSe kite flying guru, the one that has his Dad pay for the parking lot looking condo.
FNMA
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JSmith5 JSmith5 1 hour ago
I got the 90-95% common ownership part from this segment John Paulson did with CNBC. I didn't hear any mention of lawsuits there.

Since I posted that I read where he has said about the 90-95% in several interviews so I am not sure which one. But I think his comment on lawsuits is prudent and, like I said this is sort of like an aside as it won't impact anything.

The question isn't whether or not lawsuits will be filed, it's whether there's any reason to believe they will succeed
Right - Hopefully the Government won't think they have a snowball's chance. The way it works on the Government side is that, for the purposes of the liability portion of their financial statements, they just can't blow off any lawsuits. FHFA and Treasury will run them past their respective OGCs who will assign a probability of a Government loss and possible associated amount. One of them, or a combination of them reaches a certain amount, it could set off the alarm. Not that we would lose, just that it may cause a delay.

Nats
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navycmdr navycmdr 1 hour ago
Mortgage Rates Continue to Decrease

December 05, 2024 12:00 ET - | Source: Freddie Mac



MCLEAN, Va., Dec. 05, 2024 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Freddie Mac (OTCQB: FMCC) today released the results of its Primary Mortgage Market Survey® (PMMS®), showing the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage (FRM) averaged 6.69 percent.

“This week, mortgage rates decreased to their lowest level in over a month,” said Sam Khater, Freddie Mac’s Chief Economist. “Despite just a modest drop in rates, consumers clearly have responded as purchase demand has noticeably improved. The responsiveness of prospective homebuyers to even small changes in rates illustrates that affordability headwinds persist.”

News Facts

- The 30-year FRM averaged 6.69 percent as of December 5, 2024, down from last week when it averaged 6.81 percent. A year ago at this time, the 30-year FRM averaged 7.03 percent.

-The 15-year FRM averaged 5.96 percent, down from last week when it averaged 6.10 percent. A year ago at this time, the 15-year FRM averaged 6.29 percent.

The PMMS® is focused on conventional, conforming, fully amortizing home purchase loans for borrowers who put 20 percent down and have excellent credit. For more information, view our Frequently Asked Questions.

Freddie Mac’s mission is to make home possible for families across the nation. We promote liquidity, stability, affordability and equity in the housing market throughout all economic cycles. Since 1970, we have helped tens of millions of families buy, rent or keep their home. Learn More: Website | Consumers | X | LinkedIn | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube

MEDIA CONTACT:
Angela Waugaman
(703)714-0644
Angela_Waugaman@FreddieMac.com
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jcromeenes jcromeenes 1 hour ago
OK, how is this going to be a hit piece that hurts us? Seems every time Seeking Alpha puts something out there it's to hurt us. Bad people!!!!
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RickNagra RickNagra 1 hour ago
https://seekingalpha.com/news/4366947-us-home-prices-expected-to-fall-further-than-previously-forecast-fannie-mae-says
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trunkmonk trunkmonk 2 hours ago
up almost 10%, oh they are so scarred or angry, both? they cant stand it, I luv it.
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jcromeenes jcromeenes 2 hours ago
Let's bring in Bob Corker to run the FHFA. He loves us!!! lol.
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trunkmonk trunkmonk 2 hours ago
no he should not, he is a SM Schill's, trying to keep GSEs in conserve, it gives him a purpose where there is no need.
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trunkmonk trunkmonk 2 hours ago
yup, the crowd he formed follows him on boards, He and they are bashing the daylights out of it whenever it goes up, they hate hate hate commons, they have done terrible and illegal things to harm commons, next Admin will send them all packing into the lake of sulfur, sick freaks everyone of them.
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skeptic7 skeptic7 2 hours ago
Calabria shouldn't be allowed within 1000 miles of the GSE's. Is and always was a snake in the grass.
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jog49 jog49 2 hours ago
How quickly you forget! Calabria did nothing to enhance the standing of shareholders while he was at FHFA. Why would anybody associated with the GSEs consider him for anything beyond janitorial services?
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2latefortears 2latefortears 2 hours ago
Yes, agree!
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Guido2 Guido2 2 hours ago
Treasury already has a warrant buy back process in place. Of course, I don't believe they deserve a penny more from FnF.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/200962612255225533
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2latefortears 2latefortears 2 hours ago
Correct
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jog49 jog49 2 hours ago
Yeah, but that contrarian hemorrhoid was sitting across from Faber! LOL!
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Stern is Bald Stern is Bald 2 hours ago
The not so dirty secret is these were used to subsidize the government's overspending and especially offset the ACA. Now that they retain earnings the trick is to release these without upsetting the market and minimize the political fallout... 
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Brooge warrants cancelled Brooge warrants cancelled 2 hours ago
he said pref
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navycmdr navycmdr 2 hours ago
$Booooom ! - both Fannie/Freddie +$ .21


just "when" are you spineless "know it all" - Wankers gonna Learn ? ...



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2latefortears 2latefortears 2 hours ago
Good question; with the majority of previous bailouts, the objective was to stabilize the particular company and insure the taxpayer was repaid. In the case of the GSE's, it's mission accomplished-so what's the hold up? Write off all the gov't "shares" (or permit the GSE's to redeem them for a nominal fee), and end this fiasco.
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FOFreddie FOFreddie 2 hours ago
Calabria could be a good Under Secretary for the UST. He was conservative regarding cap ratios but he definitely would jump start the capital raise since he had previously hired the investment banks to do the capital raise. For me - timing is key - get the recap and exit done before the next Congress - we dont need a possible Dem House opposing an EXIT. Senate may be fine but not a lock.
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jog49 jog49 2 hours ago
So what would be the process to get back the enormous amounts of loot already stolen? All the talk has been about capitalization amounts. Get back what has been stolen and both GSEs are SUPER-capitalized!

Obama pilfering, lawsuit awards from TBTFs, ridiculous fees, etc.
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navycmdr navycmdr 2 hours ago
Fannie / Freddie words to "invest" "trade" & "live" by ...

" If " - by RUDYARD KIPLING ... written 1895



“If” is a poem written by the English poet and novelist Rudyard Kipling in 1895. The poem is a set of moral instructions addressed to the poet’s son, and it offers advice on how to live a virtuous and fulfilling life.

The poem is written in the form of a series of conditional statements, with each stanza beginning with the word “If.” The poem’s central theme is the importance of self-discipline, perseverance, and humility in the face of life’s challenges.

The poem emphasizes the need for the reader to remain calm, focused, and resolute in the face of adversity. Kipling emphasizes the importance of self-control, urging the reader to keep their head “when all about you / Are losing theirs and blaming it on you.”

The poem also emphasizes the importance of taking responsibility for one’s actions and accepting the consequences of one’s choices. Kipling urges the reader to “meet with triumph and disaster / And treat those two impostors just the same.”

Ultimately, the poem offers a vision of what it means to be a true and honorable person, emphasizing the importance of character, integrity, and moral courage. The poem’s final stanza offers a vision of a life well-lived, in which the reader has become “a Man, my son.”
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FOFreddie FOFreddie 3 hours ago
Hi Nats, Do you know if the warrants have an anti-dilution protection clause? I dont understand why the UST wouldnt just wait until all the necessary capital is raised post exit and then just exercise their warrants for 80% of the outstanding float after the required new shares are issued? This type of deal structure seems pretty clean - 1. turn on the JPS divs - 2. start paying divs on common - 3. issue new stock to reach cap requirements - 4. offer JPS opportunity to convert rather than raising new cap for the $ 30bn JPS - 5. exercise the warrants - 6. start selling UST stake over time as GSEs become part of stock indices - 7. change the charter to provide for the merger of FNMA and FMCC - 8. Move them to Cincinatti to save on overhead and costs and get away from the DC swamp.

Bottom line is that if the UST can wait until all the required cap is raised and all the dilution that comes with that then the 79.9% is probably close to where they may be with the SPS except without all the hassle. Has anyone looked at the warrants to see if the UST has to exercise before new shares are sold?
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stockprofitter stockprofitter 3 hours ago
The SPSA is NOT LAW you wish it was
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
If Treasury takes any amount of equity from shareholders it will be considered stolen property under federal law.

Treasury already has over $300B of equity in FnF in the form of the liquidation preference on the senior preferred shares.

Your alleged "theft" already happened. A later senior-to-common conversion can't "steal" what has already been "stolen".

And an illegal exaction claim wouldn't be able to undo the dilution anyway, it would only result in at most an award of the resulting share price drop plus pre-judgment and post-judgment interest.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
No - I don't believe it does - that's why some are pushing for it to help with any capital raise - but could be wrong there.

It depends on what type of regulatory capital you're talking about.

A junior-to-common conversion doesn't change core or Tier 1 capital, but it does add to CET1 capital. $19B for Fannie, $14B for Freddie.

But I do expect the Ps to be converted to make any cap raise easier

I agree. Not only does a junior-to-common conversion add to CET1 capital at no cost to the companies, it also allows them to issue new preferred shares later on if they want to raise capital quickly. It will be much easier to do that with new preferred shares than new common shares. I'm not sure if this is coincidence or not, but the ERCF allows for around $33B worth of non-cumulative preferred shares in the capital stack, which is exactly the amount FnF have combined right now in the form of the junior prefs.

I expect the new, post-restructuring common shares to do quite well. Owning the juniors now is a much cheaper way to own the post-restructuring common compared to just buying the pre-restructuring common now.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
The SPSPA is an illegal contract between two government agencies, illegal by reason of the commitment fee attached to the Senior Preferred Stock.

It isn't illegal until and unless a court overturns it. That hasn't happened, thus your characterization of the SPSPAs as "illegal" is merely your opinion, not a fact.

The NWS was a clear violation of one of the FHFA director's core duties, which was maintenance of adequate capital for FnF (12 USC 4513(a)(1)(B)(i)), and yet the Supreme Court said it was fine. It's not what you know (and certainly not what you say on a message board), it's what you can prove in court.

File your own lawsuit, shut up, or be exposed as a hypocrite.

Safety and Soundness still exists just as the Charter Act still exists.

And the Supreme Court allowed FHFA to ignore its safety and soundness mandate due to 12 USC 4617(b)(2)(J)(ii). Keep that in mind.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Were they actually even challenged?

The NWS dividends? Of course. That was the entire purpose of the lawsuit, that the FHFA signing the NWS on behalf of the companies and paying the NWS dividends despite FnF's complete lack of regulatory capital was ultra vires. The Fifth Circuit en banc panel found in the plaintiffs' favor on that count, but the Supreme Court overturned that verdict.

Are you suggesting that the Director can pay jr pref and common dividends right now if they wanted to?

Yes, though Treasury would have to agree to it per the terms of the SPSPAs.

I didn't say anything about regulatory capital.

There is no other kind. Net worth and capital are not the same thing.

Tell me what does the payment of dividends out of 'funds legally available' mean? That is a clause implicit or explicit in dividend paying stock.

I always saw it as a boilerplate phrase, though in the case of FnF's conservatorships it could have more teeth. I had thought that the FHFA director's core duty of maintenance of adequate capital at FnF would have prevented them from paying the NWS dividends, but the Supreme Court truly did find an elephant in the mousehole when they ruled that FHFA's incidental powers clause (allowing them to act in their own best interest) overrode that core duty.

That's also why I think FHFA can direct FnF to pay junior pref and common dividends no matter their regulatory capital levels, though again per the terms of the SPSPAs, Treasury would have to approve any such dividends.

The contracts were amended to an 'unlimited' amount in 2012?

No. This page on FHFA's website with links to all the agreements and amendments has links to:

1) The original SPSPAs that established the funding commitment of $100B per company
2) The first amendment that increased the total funding commitment to $200B per company
3) The second amendment that increased the total funding commitment to "$200,000,000,000 plus the cumulative total of Deficiency Amounts determined for calendar quarters in calendar years 2010, 2011, and 2012, less any Surplus Amount determined as of December 31, 2012, and in the case of either (a) or (b), less the aggregate amount of funding under the Commitment prior to such date."

Rodney is correct on several matters and not way out there like others.

He is utterly wrong about many things, like the SPSPAs being illegal, his idea that the FHFA director can tell FnF to pay down the seniors without Treasury's approval
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Everyone will talk about this trade over the thanksgiving. It will be somewhat late as the stock will be over 10.

Only if you're counting in base 2 or base 3.

Another prediction that aged like raw milk. If FnF had a penny for every overestimate of its price they would be recapitalized already.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Why would he be opposed to us? Sounds like he likes utility model which is probably fine by us.

The MBA, along with many other vested interests, only want FnF released if it's via legislation that also establishes an explicit government guarantee on GSE MBS.

By contrast, the release that Calabria and Mnuchin were working toward, and the one contemplated by John Paulson, doesn't involve Congress (and by extension that explicit guarantee) at all.

You can tell from the article how desperately the MBA wants that explicit guarantee. I think it's the primary reason they have been opposed to recap and release in the past: they have been wanting FnF held hostage with the explicit guarantee as a condition of release. But their power is not absolute, fortunately.

Just means we should anticipate 1/3 of earnings going back to us in dividends and overall expect high single digit total returns.

You keep forgetting the most important thing: the post-restructuring share count. Without an estimate of that, any future share price estimate is worthless.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Actually $FNMA~ went up to $4.50 + after he said that and didn't see $1 until Covid crashed the world markets over two years later.

In other words, Bose George was right. FNMA closed at $1.06 on December 31 2018, well before Covid and quite close to the $1 target.

And far, far better than the thousands of posts here that predicted share prices in the upper single digits, teens, 20s, 30s, 100s, 300s, etc.

Any time Guido insults someone it means the recipient is on to something. I have found few other indicators as reliable as that.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Another note from this discussion: I have asked common shareholders why they think Treasury wouldn't do a senior-to-common conversion and have gotten basically only two answers: lawsuits and a supposed chilling effect on future investors.

My other reply talked about why I think the lawsuit angle is unconvincing.

The future investor effect argument is equally fallacious because if future post-dilution shareholders would be dumb to buy the new common shares, people who own the pre-dilution existing common shares are even dumber. When a FnF common shareholder brings up that future investor argument they are in essence calling themselves stupid.

Treasury had no trouble selling its AIG common shares, and AIG's price chart closely resembles FnF's. AIG's common shareholders got screwed and yet investors lined up to buy Treasury's new shares post-conversion. I see no reason to expect anything different with FnF.
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Guido2 Guido2 3 hours ago
https://x.com/GuidoPerei/status/1864697167870611563
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
I believe his remark was in the same interview where he talked about the Government's ownership of 90-95% of the company at release.

I got the 90-95% common ownership part from this segment John Paulson did with CNBC. I didn't hear any mention of lawsuits there.

I agree it doesn't mean too much - but I thought it was worth mentioning as its certainly reasonable to expect multiple lawsuits concerning issues with the release by any stockholder whose ox gets gored.

The question isn't whether or not lawsuits will be filed, it's whether there's any reason to believe they will succeed. I think there is none given Treasury's perfect track record so far. And any lawsuit over a senior-to-common conversion would be either too late to undo the dilution or run smack into the anti-injunction clause in HERA (4617(f)).

Agree that, if the Government can get away with all the crap its done so far to the stockholders, its hard to imagine a scenario where any major suits would succeed.

Exactly. Treasury was all set to move forward with the catastrophically dilutive senior-to-common conversion in late 2020 before the junior pref holders shot it down, showing that they don't fear any shareholder lawsuits over that action at all.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Kt keeps preaching the Shareholders owes the Treasury. No, it’s the other way around.

Wrong. The courts have said Treasury doesn't owe the shareholders a penny, as shown by Treasury's perfect record in the NWS cases.

With a 8-0 jury verdict and former FHFA Director saying the Treasury has been paid in full.

1) The verdict was against Fannie and Freddie, not against Treasury. Fannie and Freddie will be paying the damages, not Treasury.
2) Which former FHFA director? Calabria said in his book that he thinks a senior-to-common conversion is the best way to resolve the senior pref overhang.

Federal Statutes do not allow the Treasury to attach a commitment fee onto the Senior Preferred Stock. THEREFORE, by reason of Federal Statute, the Treasury owes the companies the overage payment on $191.4 billion total draws from Treasury, plus compounded interest

Quite the legal theory you have there! No plaintiff has tried that one in court to my knowledge.

You know the drill: file your own lawsuit, shut up, or be shown to be a hypocrite. You have consistently chosen door #3.

With the amount of time and effort you have put into researching your posts you could have filed several lawsuits by now. Why haven't you?
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
You keep repeating the SCOTUS validating the Net Worth Sweep. That’s not what happened.

Wrong. The Supreme Court said that the NWS was a valid act of a conservator and thus not ultra vires, reversing the Fifth Circuit en banc panel's decision.

The Court dismissed the lawsuit.

The lawsuit claimed that the NWS was illegal and the lawsuit was dismissed, thus it was not found to have been illegal. The NWS survived a direct challenge, which makes it as legal as it's possible to be.

The Supreme Court basically said we will not rule or give Judgment are act as an arbitrator on the contract the SPSPA. So, the NWS was not validated as legal or illegal by the Court:

Wrong on both counts, see above.

Three more strikes for you and another out. Shameful.
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kthomp19 kthomp19 3 hours ago
Congress gave the FHFA Director the authority to do so.

The SPSPAs, signed by FHFA as conservator, say that FnF cannot repay the seniors. FHFA is now bound by that agreement.

The Senior Preferred Stock Purchase Agreement SPSPA you keep referring to is an illegal contract not a Federal Statute, an illegal contract between to government agencies. It’s illegal by reason of an illegal commitment fee attached to the Senior Preferred Stock.

The SPSPAs are legal and binding contracts. You calling them illegal does not make them illegal.

If you really want your opinion to count, file your own lawsuit. Otherwise you can either shut up or be proven to be a hypocrite (slash armchair QB slash keyboard warrior).
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JSmith5 JSmith5 3 hours ago
As a stockholder, no warrant exercise would work for me. As taxpayer, now even more with DOGE on the loose - they will. As an investor, it would not be prudent to ignore them. Clearly the seniors are the wildcard here.

As a common holder, I would have to see what kind of a conversion deal the Ps would get before I pass judgement. The choices are turn on the 6% $2B in dividends, cash them in (up to $33B) or convert them. As a P holder any of the 3 is a win. Maybe not as big a win as commons, but a win.

I think, all things considered, I would expect that conversion would increase the likely hood of a speedier and successful exit.

Nats
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