stockrafter
2 days ago
Excellent deduction....
Pointed out months ago Merck was funding the development of a competition to Enhanze, called Hybrozyme or ALT-B4 . Been following the patent filings from both Merck and Alteogen and they have a number of patent filings related to to Hybrozyme. They have been making progress............But the main posters here refuse to except Enhanze has competition, and have been shoved aside as a pest.......awhhhh......good luck.....but the competition SP is winning....
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/196170.KQ/
old Feb 2024 article.....they are making a lot more now....
"Merck Deal Boosts Founder Of Little-Known Korean Biotech Company Into Billionaire Ranks"
"Based in Daejeon, south of Seoul, Alteogen focuses on biosimilars, which are cheaper versions of brand-name drugs made from living cells, and bio-betters, an improved (safer and more effective) version of existing drugs. In recent years, Alteogen has been making more money from ALT-B4, a technology that allows drugs to be administered subcutaneously (into the fatty layer of skin cells) instead of intravenously (into the veins). ALT-B4 accounted for almost 90% of Alteogen’s $55.7 million third-quarter revenues, up from 26% for the whole of 2022."
biotechinvestor1
4 days ago
Consensus 2024 EPS estimate (including JPM’s) for for halo is north of $4.
Ask yourself what is an appropriate PE for a high margin, high growth company like halo and apply multiple 4 by that PE. The number you come up with might guide you where halo should be by year end.
PE of 15, will give you $60
PE of 20, will give you $80
PE of 25, will give you $100
Just for a reference and to compare halozyme with its own historical pattern, halo is trading at a 2023 PE ratio of 20 (see link below). So even if we stick with halo’s own historical valuations, as earning go up, even if we keep the PE ratio the same, share price will go up.
My sense is PE of 20 is reasonable. $80 should be around the corner.
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/halo/price-earnings-peg-ratios
maumar
5 days ago
Let's hope we don't get any future deals like the last one!!!
This is the crux of the problem:
"Through our follow-up with HALO, we note that this royalty arrangement extends to Vyvgart Hytrulo, on which we previously expected HALO to earn a mid-single-digit royalty into the early 2040s without a step-down, assuming co-formulation IP."
If you look at the chart on page 20 of Halo's June presentation, you will see that Halo will stop receiving royalties from Herceptin, Mabthera, Phesgo and HyQvia in 2030, Darzalex SC in 2032, Ocrevus in 2035, though Darzalex SC has a reduced royalty rate starting from 2027 or 2029 and Ocrevus from 2030.
What was highly reassuring to investors was that Tecentriq SC and Vyvgart especially were expected to have a mid-single-digit royalty until 2040 and the early 2040s for Vyvgart.
Vyvgart is expected to become a huge drug, with some peak sales estimates of 11B and even higher.
'"The analysts stuck by their thesis that the products remain well positioned to hit peak sales of $11 billion in 2035—an estimate that accounts for future indications like CIDP, too.
Aside from the opportunities in gMG and CIDP, argenx also aims to broaden Vyvgart’s reach with the introduction of a prefilled syringe."
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/argenx-shrugs-myasthenia-gravis-threat-ucb-it-paves-way-vyvgarts-next-potential-launch#:~:text=The%20analysts%20stuck%20by%20their,introduction%20of%20a%20prefilled%20syringe.
"$9 billion by 2033: Morningstar analysts estimate that Vyvgart sales could reach $9 billion by 2033. This estimate is based on the expectation that new launches and increased penetration into the myasthenia gravis market will lead to higher sales."
Let's be conservative and keep it simple. Let's say that Halo will lose on average 2% of $5B (it could be significantly worse), starting in 2029 for about 12 years. That is a loss of $1.2B. Because of this new deal and to quote JPM again: "Given the nuances of this deal, we are incrementally more cautious on the economics HALO may be able to derive from new partnerships since we see this one as reinforcing the likelihood of stepped-down rates beyond 2029, despite coformulation IP.", growth beyond 2029 has become highly uncertain. These are the reasons for the selloff imho.
halofan
5 days ago
I think I go with the posts by biotechinvestor, howee, and oncojock. Their posts make the most sense and show why the analysts don’t really understand this company, or are just playing games. With the projected growth of this company (without any new deals), anyone who understands real investing (like the institutions that own most of HALO’s stock), looks at the fundamentals of HALO, would want to take a position. With the Medicare ruling, the patent ruling and all the drug approvals, this company is doing great. As for new deals, I would rather listen to Artisan Partners (5th largest shareholder) than the analysts when they say that based on discussions management is having with biotechs, they believe deals will be completed this year.
maumar
5 days ago
Unfortunately, you are correct. But the real problem of course is with the terms of the "new" deal and the lack of transparency (the magnitude of the reduced royalty rate and the timing were not disclosed, etc.) in Halo's press release. It just created a lot of uncertainty and mistrust of Halo's management imho. The truth of the matter is that Halo's new partnerships have been not only fewer and fewer in the past several years but also the terms of their agreements have become progressively worse for Halo. In 2017, Halo got $30M upfront from Roche for just one target, plus potentially $160M in milestone payments, it also signed a huge deal with BMY, less money per target but the same $160M in potential milestone payments; in 2019, Halo signed their first deal with Argenx: 3 targets for $10M per target plus $160M of potential milestone payments; the last deal is : $7.5M per target plus $85M (!!!), therefore practically half of what they used to get, in potential milestone payments per target.
All in all, this last deal has exposed Helen as self-deluded or an outright liar. Why in the world would you accept such terms if what you've been telling us for years, "we are the only game in town", "demand has never been stronger", "we have no competition" were true?
I have to say that I haven't sold any shares and I feel like a complete idiot. I was aware of all this and did not act.
From Jessica Fye at JPM:
"Following the announcement of HALO’s expanded partnership with ARGX we have received multiple questions from investors and are updating our model in an effort to reflect the nuances of the deal. Most of the questions we received centered on how to interpret the language in HALO’s press release stating that “the royalty rate for all products under the agreement is a tiered mid-single-digit rate based on annual net sales until expiration of Halozyme’s Enhanze related patents, when the rate will be reduced in one or more steps.” We have confirmed with the company that Vyvgart Hytrulo royalties are changing under this agreement. Recall that prior to this, HALO had guided to Hytrulo having a mid-single-digit royalty rate into the early 2040s, assuming coformulation IP. We had the chance to catch up with HALO again and the company clarified the following: 1) HALO’s definition of mid-single digits is 3-7%, and 2) while Hytrulo’s royalty will step down post Enhanze LOE, the royalty rate will still fall within this range for 10 years from the drug’s launch. It also clarified that when a partner selects a target, the partnership extends to line-extensions/life-cycle products utilizing the same target. Given the nuances of this deal, we are incrementally more cautious on the economics HALO may be able to derive from new partnerships since we see this one as reinforcing the likelihood of stepped-down rates beyond 2029, despite coformulation IP. Catching up with the company, management still remain very confident in their expectation for coformulation IP for Hytrulo. After adjusting our model to reflect a step-down for Vyvgart in 2029 and again after the first 10 years, our new Dec 2025 PT is $54 (prior $57).
Updates to model. We now assume Vyvgart Hytrulo’s royalty rate will step down to 3% (from prior JPMe rate of 5%) in 2029, and then again to 2% after 10 years on the market. This change to Hytrulo represents roughly a $2.50/share headwind relative to our prior valuation. Our model also reflects a basket of royalty revenue for products that are not explicitly broken out that is $250mm un-risk-adjusted in 2035 (the year we take our terminal off of). We previously had thought of the $250mm royalty basket as representing a collection of products with ~$5bn in end-market sales assuming ~5% royalties. However, we now think it’s reasonable to expect an average royalty rate at that time closer to 3%, which would mean that more like $8bn of end-market sales would be required to deliver this royalty revenue. Along these lines, we are leaving that contribution unchanged despite new targets in the ARGX deal."
OncoJock
5 days ago
OK, you win. And I'm glad.
That was a really smart way to confirm that, as far as FDA is concerned, hyaluronidase is indeed an active ingredient, along with daratumumab, in the formulation of Darzalex Faspro.
The only problem with how you cited the FDA-approved prescribing information/package insert to prove your point is that I didn't think of it first (!)
;)
Best wishes,
-- OJ
OncoJock
5 days ago
I like this analysis because of its focus on earnings, and share price as a function of earnings.
As CFO Nicole LaBrosse pointed out in a recent call with analysts, royalties are an efficient form of sales revenue since so much of the top line amount falls directly to the bottom line due to low cost of sales and other operating expenses. This helps explain the firm's high return on equity, and its steadily increasing projections of earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, and amortization, (EBITDA), also known as profit margin.
I confess to being a bit baffled by what might be causing the recent dive in the share price, but agree that if we focus on earnings, and the ratio of price to earnings, we should have little to worry about in the long run.
GLTA
-- OJ
easycomeandgo
5 days ago
Halozyme has certainly been a good investment for you, and I have no reason not to hope that it continues to be for as long as you own the stock. Just a few observations, if you permit:
1. The most important one is the obvious that was then and this is now. This has come up before on the board, the biotech world is not static, companies come and go, technologies come and go, (not only in biotech, think of Polaroid) managements come and go, stock market conditions come and go, fads come and go, the list could go on and on. Halozyme is not the same company in the same situation as it was 18 years ago.
2. Is there reason to believe that the evolved Halozyme offers the same opportunities as did the old one 18 years ago?
3, Heroic tales cannot be used to buy anything.
stockrafter
5 days ago
Might as well put in an order.....
at 46 bucks, cause "Planned Sells" are done and it looks like the June 8th gap is going to close........
cause those MMs abhor those gaps....
But then again HALO did get another patent as pointed out by a fellow investor, that should give SP a boost.......
Naw with 15 so far it ain't going to matter much....they just tweak'em and crank'em out to keep busy....
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easycomeandgo
5 days ago
I was not going to post any more on my way to selling all at the end of the month. (Mistake, I could have sold with a short term gain more advantageously. Outsmarted myself.)
Look, juicy discounts notwithstanding, (at $30 even juicer… is that what we want? So dumb.) the issue seems to be more than just permabear analysts. With all patent extensions, renewals, etc., Halozyme’s technology is dated and the company is not an R&D demon. The autoinjector “technology” they burned their cash on is likewise ancient, in the public domain at this stage, regardless of bolus volume. As I stated earlier, I believe that what there is of unique technology is in the needle and that is not Halozyme’s. In any case, there are new methods of formulating the injectable and new injectors apparently not conflicting with Halozyme know-how. That seems to be the real bugaboo, not evil permabears. I repeat my contention that the interests of small, individual shareholders fall totally outside the company management’s vision. Let me just leave it at that.
Halozyme, at this point, is the archetype of opportunity missed. That is why it is not going to $170. That is why analysts view it as they do.
Let me wish shareholders a parting “good luck” now. With that, I have done my duty and uttered the eagerly awaited buy signal.