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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 5 days ago
Disappointing! That's not the TJ I know. I loved your reaction when I refused to list the 2 simple reasons why a lawsuit couldn't be successful a couple of months ago.

Hey, want to tell me why this isn't relevant? Nothing on this yet from you.

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176313291

Especially the CHO part. Is it something I picked out of thin air? Surely you looked into this before investing. Take us through your thoughts on this.
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TJ24 TJ24 5 days ago
"I don't want to even discuss them here as it might actually help Terry's fake case. So, likely it will be at least another year until I discuss some of those. And yes TJ, it know this part is going to set you off! lol"

Yawn.
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TJ24 TJ24 5 days ago
"Did you ask the 5 laboratories to verify the information provided by Cotropia?"

Tell you what.

Why don't you call the laboratories and ask them about the Cotropia information? If the laboratories say that they do not know anything about the Cotropia stuff, then you can come back here and have your "GOTCHA!" moment.
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TheCoach TheCoach 5 days ago
Thank you HomeB. Certainly got a rise out of you and Pumper!
Cheers,
Coach
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 5 days ago
HUGE THANK YOU whoever updated the intro/about section on this board, bravo!
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 5 days ago
Again, I know the popular belief is the SEC is "looking into ENZC and investigating fraud" as far as the business itself. The SEC has only identified Zhabilov selling restricted shares as "fraud". I have been saying for years here, that just like most scams, what is being done here will not be anything criminal or actionable by the SEC. It's almost NINE MONTHS since the SEC case against one person, not the company, but Zhabilov (and those that assisted with assisting the effort) was filed. Does anyone think the SEC is spending a freakin year on this, looking to build a case against ENZC that will be announced shortly? Sorry... that's a dream.

At some point are people going to realize what I've said and known for years, that there is no case against ENZC as a company for business fraud?

I'll ask again, someone show me exactly what laws were broken. Ranting about "fraud" and having others agree with you isn't proof. Go ahead, anyone show me a case against Chandra or Cotropia, as far as fraud, and I will show you why it doesn't hold. (yes I know, you won't agree with what I have to say...just like you didn't understand or agree with what I posted here for years! )

You know who should be the best one to know why and how there is no case? TERRY of course. The man who spent 9 months trying to file a lawsuit. Guess why it isn't coming? There is no freakin case of course.

Wake up people! What went on here is really no different that goes on every day in most OTCs. Yet how many SEC cases are there against OTC companies? A handful? And when you look at them there are specific reasons there is a case.

ENZC shareholders, no one is going to or should save you for ignoring here for YEARS, what I and others have posted... basic clear due diligence that ENZC is and was a scam. You shouldn't be bailed out for pure ignorance! You cannot be rewarded for this or compensated for this... and.. you won't!

SEC probably won't save the day, I doubt we receive any significant details about how intricate the scheme really was.

I have a lot more to say on the other side, about things that are pretty damning about what this company did... but I don't want to even discuss them here as it might actually help Terry's fake case. So, likely it will be at least another year until I discuss some of those. And yes TJ, it know this part is going to set you off! lol
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 5 days ago
docsetc singlehandedly (and successfully I might add - Chandra would be proud!) killed the $ENZC board by filling it up daily with false promises for over a year about a lawsuit that doesn't exist. He successfully changed the topic to deter any real conversations about legal efforts by creating a fake one he never intended to follow through on.

SEC probably won't save the day, I doubt we receive any significant details about how intricate the scheme really was. Lesson learned, you live and you learn...
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 6 days ago
docsetc lives! Mr fake lawsuit has reappeared on X the last 2 days, but only for meaningless and pointless attacks on Adnexus, which isn't even public, and against CBDW since the word still hasn't got to Terry that the Adnexus LOI was reported to be ended, MONTHS ago! Terry being Terry!

ZERO and I repeat ZERO posts out of the 10 or so of his that addresses the fake lawsuit at all. It's pretty clear that he isn't even making an effort to try to show that the "lawsuit" is still in progress! Sad day!

Wondering if Terry will do what a pink sheet scam company would do, and try to save face by claiming not filing the lawsuit is better than filing one, or something silly like that? Or will he just walk away in shame and silence?
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 6 days ago
He failed on due diligence on so many levels. All in all, (not that you don't have valid points, you do), in his case none of the science mattered because ENZC never did a funding and so the unsafe SAFE never has, and never will be convertible. I'm sure TJ took that into consideration before sending in his check (lol).

At least ENZC shareholders had some equity which they could decide to sell at any time and salvage something. Meanwhile TJ's investment NEVER in 7 or so years, ever, had any cash value! Yet he is here (while even 99% of ENZC shareholders have disappeared) arguing away, blaming others, etc ....simply insane!

Because Safes have no maturity date, the traditional critique is that investors can end up in 'no mans' land if the company fails to secure additional financing (thus Safe holders have no option to convert or receive back principal - they just sit there with their SAFE indefinitely).

I do love that Terry told TJ that his "attorneys" said that TJ would be eligible for settlement in the fake lawsuit, despite never having a single cent, ever, in equity. Again, insane to think or to say. This is the beauty of having a fake lawsuit, you get to make shit up!
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I-Glow I-Glow 6 days ago
Did you ask the 5 laboratories to verify the information provided by Cotropia? If not it is worthless hype from the company.

Did Cotropia publish any articles in a peer reviewed journal?

Never invest in a company based on their hype.

IG
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 7 days ago
Yup, I stand with what I told docsetc a year ago:

Those who have warned and voiced concerns have been attacked for years on this platform so it doesn't bother me, it's actually provided a valuable lesson in OTC trading. What I don't respect are those still stating blatant speculative mistruths, based on previous ENZC PRs or TWEETS with no real evidence.
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 1 week ago
Another in the revisiting docsetc's 1 year ago change from attacking anyone that dare say anything negative about ENZC to slowly starting to understand that he had been scammed for 4 years. I will be posting 1 year anniversaries of his posts. This is one of the last pure "defend with all his might" posts from Terry! Watch as Terry finally learns!

June 16, 2024
Still no proof it was a well-engineered scam..... Plenty of other evidence they really had something going on https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174598559

Now we all know that he isn't really perusing a lawsuit, but if he did, wouldn't be great to have him up on stand as a defense witness, and have him read all his statements like this where he defended the company? lol
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 1 week ago
Why bother responding at all if you are going to avoid the topic and post an off topic, almost random reply?

What in the topic has anything to do with coaching? Why would the topic of coaching have anything to do with responding to the topic of your track record of insulting people who were right on this all along (still with no apologies)? Why would anyone think anyone would be jealous of you given your total wrong views on ENZC in the last 4 years? Jealousy of your ignorance on how to spot an obvious scam? No!

At least you were smart enough to let my post go without responding! lol

This my friend, is stinky cologne!
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176316680
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Homebrew Homebrew 1 week ago
Coaching a Stinky-Pinky scam too. Congratulations.
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TheCoach TheCoach 1 week ago
Hey HomeB. Obviously you've never coached. You've got to play every angle. But, hey, what do I know. 11 conference championships, 3 state titles, working with international teams, and, a robost portfolio. To all responders, just remember, jealousy is a stinky cologne. Have a great day everyone and good luck!
Cheers,
Coach
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hvp hvp 1 week ago
Remember "hamptonite" that was buying enzc shares for charity. And he would get the secret service after bashers. All part of the plan. Right coach?
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 1 week ago
I could only try to talk sense to you people but can't give you the education to understand these obvious red flags. Yes, your losses are YOUR fault not managements! You ignored these obvious signs and hundreds more!!

August 2022:

I ask the question, how many vague, meaningless terms will shareholders accept from the company before they see through the bull? The answer appears to be this many, and the many more to come!

Hasn't "days and weeks ahead" taught shareholders anything?

No one can see that "ongoing and near completion" it just as meaningless and vague?

No one can see that "finalizing" is just as meaningless and vague?

How about " testing and use of the therapeutics are expected to be made possible ", and just as hilarious "plans are in place to proceed"? Now there's something you can hang your hat onto, right? LOL Yet they are quoted on this very board as if they were progress! This is beyond ridiculous!

NOT ONE shareholder will stand up and say date "xxxx" is the latest date that those meaningless phrases can mean! It was attempted back after the "days and weeks ahead" to say it meant 2 months max, which then was conveniently taken back... after 2 months. lol

I'll tell you, this company knows how to string along shareholders. If I didn't read the words, I'd say "no this is fiction, they don't really believe this. It's an act"

As I have said, there is a price for wearing blinders and not seeing plain in your face bull from the company. That price is a declining stock price!

Wishing, hoping and dreaming, while ignoring the reality of the failures of this company is NOT a valid investing strategy!

WE WILL SEE LOWER PRICES! Markets teach expensive lessons..


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Homebrew Homebrew 1 week ago
Scammers/pumpers sometimes like to play "victim" so that the gullibles won't think they were accomplices.

"I lost money too".

They hope it makes them seem like regular investors and might give them credibility for the next Pump-N-Dump
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 1 week ago
Does this sound like someone who thinks "Holding in the OTC is a fools errand"?

This was said at about 8.5 cents, down from 90 cents!
I added today as well. Slow and steady wins the race! Stick with the plan!
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=167026444

Or how about this from 7/22 at about 6.5 cents, isn't 1-2 years the very definition of "holding in the OTC"?:
I believe in the science here and think within the next year or two there will be some good things happening. Patience
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=169518920

It really is amazing when these long time permabulls come back and try to jump on "well this decline and outcome was expected" bandwagon. @Mutat did the same thing recently! And they all have "gains" despite buying again and again on the way down. Who are you fooling?

I take back the credit I gave you in the last post. Yet another revisionist pumper who now, only in retrospect, "knew" this wasn't an investment! At least fools like Terry are not coming back here trying to say this was not a good long term investment. In a way you are more ridiculous than him.

What were you trying to accomplish with today's post, given your post history is here for all to see?
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Homebrew Homebrew 1 week ago
Quite the flip compared to your cheerleading and insults to "bashers" in the past.
And don't blame what you call "bashers" for you failing to have metrics or a plan. They are just stating facts and facts are a stubborn thing.
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 1 week ago
Considering you were an ENZC bull this take is very realistic. You've hit on a lot of key points, yet I don't recall many or any of these truths from you when it mattered. For instance "Holding in the OTC is a fools errand.", which is 100% correct of course. I haven't looked at all your old posts but I am willing to bet you never stood up and said this during the 2021-23 time frame.

I remember you from years past, you were certainly not one of the extreme whackos here, but I did look back and see this lipstick on a pig attempt in trying to knockdown my factual post about the 2 year decline in ENZC. A lot of denial and alternative reality there!

Perhaps you've come around some more in the past year or so, unlike most here. Good luck.

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=169368754
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TheCoach TheCoach 1 week ago
Waiting for a plane out of Denver and thought I would check on this one for fun. Haven't played a lot in the OTC in my years but had a good time with ENZC. Played the initial pump, traded for a year or so. Rolled the rest out during the SPAC pump. The final "free" shares I sold bought me a number 3 with a large drink!
This one is dead. I don't believe for a minute that there is a law suit. Anyone that gave personal information to someone that they met here is foolish. And don't blame what you call "bashers" for you failing to have metrics or a plan. They are just stating facts and facts are a stubborn thing. I'm sorry for those who have lost money. I have lost money in the past too. Learn from it, move on and develop a strategy. Pumper is right that you protect the capital. Move that out when you're ahead and trade the freebies. Holding in the OTC is a fools errand. I wish everyone luck with the other ventures they may be involved in. Stay positive. Keep grinding. Have fun and don't take any shit from anyone!
Cheers,
Coach
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 2 weeks ago
Remember this gem?!

Hey DRHUMI, these guys will disappear or whine about excuses for Chandra, as soon as we have him served, which won't be long from now. Hope it's on the same day he takes Adnexus public. The law firm said it would be fantastic timing if we're able to do that. I intend to try and get pics of him being served

Funny thing is, @DRHUMI and @docsetc both disappeared themselves, hahaha its official we need a Enzolytics movie.
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
He claimed there were 10 contributors and then one backed out due to my posts! i will try to find the post and edit this post with the link
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Homebrew Homebrew 2 weeks ago
Did he get "donations" to fund the fake lawsuit. Personal names, addresses, account info ?
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 2 weeks ago
Lol these guys are afraid to ask dcosetc for updates, because he will cut off communication 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

In reality, who cares because the lawsuit was fake!
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Homebrew Homebrew 2 weeks ago
What's he doing with all the personal info he collected with his fake "lawsuit" scheme.
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Homebrew Homebrew 2 weeks ago
Where's the "lawsuit"?🤣😂
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
Seriously how funny is this given his obsessive interest in this when he never even qualified ever for the right to convert? Yet he thinks he was scammed! Unbelievable.

SAFEs rely on a future equity financing round for conversion. If the company fails to raise funds or achieve a liquidity event, the SAFE may not convert, leaving investors with no equity.

The biggest defender of the company's science is someone with zero drug development knowledge and zero ownership in the stock!! LOVE it!!!
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
These are questions ANY reasonable knowledgeable investor would have the answer to before buying in.

How about this at least. Have you ever seen these issues mentioned before or are these topics that i just came up with that are unimportant?

The information you posted doesn't address these issues. You like to question when i say the losses are your fault. if you cannot answer these basic issues to the drug development then it demonstrates again why your losses are your fault!
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 2 weeks ago
I showed you all the information that I had received from the Cotropias.

which was pure BS, congrats you got duped. Along with the rest of us, except you had no investment in ENZC lol good luck trying to recoup from the "SAFE" or should I say, not so safe.

Specific risks of investing in a SAFE:
Uncertain Conversion Event: SAFEs rely on a future equity financing round for conversion. If the company fails to raise funds or achieve a liquidity event, the SAFE may not convert, leaving investors with no equity.
Limited Control: SAFE investors generally have no voting rights or say in company decisions.
Potential for High Dilution: While SAFEs may have valuation caps and discounts, investors can still be diluted if the company raises more funding or issues additional SAFEs.
Risk of Total Loss: If the startup fails, SAFE investors could lose their entire investment. (THIS IS YOU)
SEC warnings: The SEC has issued warnings about investing in SAFEs, cautioning that they may not be as "safe" as the name suggests.

As you've been told for the 100th time, maybe you'll get it soon.
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TJ24 TJ24 2 weeks ago
I don't have to explain anything in my own words. You and your buddies have asserted that I invested without getting any information, and I showed you all the information that I had received from the Cotropias.
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
Tell us exactly what you think it means and the importance of successful invitro testing as far as probability of it being a workable approvable drug.

After that, explain your take on the probability of difficulty or delay in creating a successful CHO cell line, using your knowledge and research. Tell us all you already know about developing a CHO cell line. And your views on the level of difficulty of reaching that?

Then explain your view on the cell line secreting non-biologically active recombinant antibody, and the difficulties involved.

Use all of your drug industry knowledge and tell us. Don't just copy and paste words you don't understand. Explain the above in your own words.
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TJ24 TJ24 2 weeks ago
The following information was provided by the Cotropias as part of their Wefunder offering:

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For the following reasons, we expect the human antibody Clone 3 to be an effective an immuotherapeutic treatment for individuals with HIV/AIDS.

In Vitro Testing Has Demonstrated the Neutralizing Capability of Our Monoclonal Antibody Clone 3

The ability of HIV to mutate renders anti-retroviral therapies ineffective against HIV in many cases. Because the Company's monoclonal antibody therapy targets a portion of the virus that does not change, such mutations are not expected to affect the monoclonal antibody therapy.

Significant testing demonstrates the basis for this expectation. Specifically, in in vitro tests conducted in five independent laboratories, Clone 3 has been tested against 41 clinical HIV isolates (strains) of the virus. Clone 3 has demonstrated that it successfully neutralizes 37 of them (100% effective against 92% of the HIV strain against which it was tested).

Clone 3 neutralizes the Clade B isolate that is predominate in North America and Europe. Clone 3 has also demonstrated the ability to neutralize the Clade C isolate found in Africa, China and India. In view of these test results, the Company is moving forward with animal trials to establish Clone 3 as a significant means for treatment of those that have HIV.

The lab results quoted were the product of testing in 5 independent laboratories. In tests conducted at the University of California of San Francisco (by Jay Levy, M.D.), Clone 3 Antibody was shown to have in vitro neutralization effect against geographically distinct clinical HIV (primary) isolates. Research conducted at four additional international institutes has confirmed these results of in vitro neutralization. In total, the neutralizing capabilities of Clone 3 have been verified at the following 5 laboratories:

1. University of California, San Francisco, CA, USA (Jay Levy, M.D.)
2. University of South Florida, Tampa, FL, USA (Kenneth Ugen, Ph.D.)
3. Polymun Scientific, GmbH, Vienna, AUSTRIA, (Hermann Katinger, Ph.D.)
4. Duke University, Durham, NC, USA (David Montefiori, Ph.D.)
5. Dana Farber Cancer Institute (DFCI), Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA, (Ruth Ruprecht, M.D., Ph.D.)

In these tests, Clone 3 neutralized [at IC90] 37 of 41 (>90%) of the clinical HIV-1 group M, N, and O isolates. Clone 3 neutralized 3 of 3 group O HIV isolates tested at 10 ยตg/ml in PBMC-based assay. In another study of Clone 3 tested against one group N primary HIV-1 isolate, results indicated that the IC90 for Clone 3 versus the HIV primary isolate YBF30 was 3.72 ยตg/ml. Further, Clone 3 has also been demonstrated to effectively neutralize 4 of 4 virulent pediatric South African clade C isolates [ZA349, ZA562, ZA600, ZA737]; and at 10 ยตg/ml, neutralize [IC99] a pediatric Zambian clade C HIV-1157, as well as the simian immunodeficiency virus construct SHIV-1157ip. Therefore, of the 45 HIV isolates against which Clone 3 has been tested, it neutralized 41 (over 91%).
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It seems that the Cotropias provided a good amount of of data in the above information.

Furthermore, between 2017 and 2020, the Cotropias had success in creating the recombinant form of the monoclonal antibody. The recombinant form is the form that is mass produced. They showed that the antibody could be mass produced.

The Cotropias were raising money for animal and human trials on the recombinant form. As far as I know, the animal and human trials have not taken place yet.
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
Stop it! You're hitting on many of the common pink sheet themes in a day! You are going to overload their brains!

Here is a fact to remember - 95-97% of all patents have no commercial value.

In the top 10 of pink sheet pumps is patents. Most pink sheet investors think patents validate the marketability of the product. Of course a patent means nothing in that regard. A patent doesn't even mean a product WORKS or has potential to work! It doesn't matter, as OTC investors don't understand patents. They flock to companies PRing patents like moths to light!

It really is a waste of time trying to educate TJ. But I'd love to challenge any ENZC pumper in this way. I will put up $20,000 in cash, if you put up $5,000 in cash, and can then demonstrate you've ever researched what percentage of drugs that are in lab testing, and then make it into a fully approved drug. Yes, this is the most basic of due diligence, yet these fools don't know and don't want to know. But of course the assumption is, despite having next to zero drug test reading knowledge, that THESE small handful of drugs by ENZC are going to magically be the exception. This again is insanity, pure and simple.

The lack of periodic test data published in PRs, over YEARS, is red flag number 1,032. But, hey Panther is bullish, and Chandra is working hard in silence, and that's all that matters, right? lol
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I-Glow I-Glow 2 weeks ago
Thanks
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I-Glow I-Glow 2 weeks ago
You wrote: "From 2017 to 2020, the Cotropias gave enough facts to make me believe that the anti-HIV monoclonal antibody *could* succeed in animal trials and human trials."

How did you verify the Cotropia's facts - any real pharmaceutical company would always do FDA approved clinical trials.

Instead what you are calling facts was more hype/pumping. That is why fake OTC pharmaceutical companies always claim to be doing clinical trials in such places as Africa and Bulgaria.

Here is a fact to remember - 95-97% of all patents have no commercial value. The ENZC patents didn't have any commercial value. Plus when you file Provisional Patent you can use the term patent pending and you don't have to submit any what the USPTO call prior art and you have 12 months to file a non-provisional patent.

ENZC never had any IP of any value.

You need to have a better understanding of the OTC before investing - although the OTC is for trading not investing.

Here is my advice to all OTC investors.

The only way to trade penny stocks that use message boards, social media (Twitter - Facebook), forward looking press releases, pumping 8-Ks and paid promotions is to just consider them all to be scams and just trade them do not invest in them. You'll lose 99% of the time if you believe the hype.

IG
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
Not odd at all. Again, the case is about one thing. It's not about ENZC as a company at all. It's about Zhabilov selling restricted shares (that he legally owned) years ago. So, it makes perfect sense that there is nothing in the complaint about Cotropia. Simple, because he didn't sell restricted shares.

In fact, it would be reasonable to think that either Chandra or Cotropia went to the SEC with their knowledge of Zhabilov selling his shares to get back at him for canning them, and that's what started this whole thing. There is no way the SEC is looking at ENZC stock transactions from the 2021-2 era, in 2024 unless someone tipped them off. This case is not about "investigations", it's about pink sheet execs turning on each other, which is VERY common, and part of the fun of watching this insanity.
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I-Glow I-Glow 2 weeks ago
The odd part to me is that Cotropia et el are not included in the complaint against Zhabilov etc.

Which leads me to believe that Cotropia was duped by Zhabilov and Cotropia was nothing more than a puppet.

You are by far the most knowledgeable about the ENZC scam - do you have any thoughts on why Cotropia wasn't included in Complaint filed against Zhabilov?

IG
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
Simple concept. If they were guilty of any criminal offense, show us the arrest, show us the charges!

You have very little understanding of the law (as well as investing). You have a silly idea that scamming is illegal. There are no criminal charges, nor will there ever be. There are zero legal actions against the company, from shareholders or the SEC. Not even a civil case! You rant about criminality and illegal actions by the company... show me the damn cases, show me the damn charges (which by the way, even if they existed, they'd then have to succeed and be proven)! It doesn't take years to file a damn case.

The reason why you have Terry creating a fake lawsuit is that even lowly Terry knows there is no case, otherwise it would have been filed, a YEAR ago!

If the execs could read your posts claiming they are criminals, I'd love to see them sue you for defamation! Maybe Terry's attorneys could defend you? lol

This is getting old. I keep trying to explain the same simple concepts, but you keep bringing up these things again and again. If you are right show me the damn cases!
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
His entire investing due diligence can be summarized this way:

Positives are assumed. Lack of data supporting a positive does not have the be presented in order for it to be assumed true. Positives are simply accepted as fact unless directly proven otherwise.

Meanwhile a negative cannot be deducted based on lack of evidence of positives. A negative will only be accepted as true if there is specific direct data released verifying a negative!

The problem is, anyone with any experience in OTC pinks KNOWS that is a rare, very rare, that these companies ever reveal anything negative, unless forced to.

It is impossible to be a successful investor if the above is what you do, period!

There is a price for this insanity ...... losses! The above is exactly why your losses are your fault TJ!
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Homebrew Homebrew 2 weeks ago
I will try to find time. Can't do it on my phone.
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Its_TradingG Its_TradingG 2 weeks ago
We still have no idea whether the antibody will succeed in animal trials or human trials.

We? Who is we? .. it looks like youโ€™re the only one on this board currently keeping up the lie that thereโ€™s data and science behind any of the 3 Cโ€™s. PROVE IT
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TJ24 TJ24 2 weeks ago
"Most OTC investor only believe the hype and ignore the facts."

From 2017 to 2020, the Cotropias gave enough facts to make me believe that the anti-HIV monoclonal antibody *could* succeed in animal trials and human trials.

If the Cotropias enticed people to invest into BioClonetics and later ENZC by dangling the antibody in front of the investors, and if the Cotropias later took the antibody out of ENZC, then the Cotropias committed fraud.

We still have no idea whether the antibody will succeed in animal trials or human trials.
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TJ24 TJ24 2 weeks ago
Where do you get that I am defending ENZC?

You and pumper stumper are the ones saying that the ENZC executives should not receive any criminal or civil penalties for scamming people. You two are blaming the victims of the scam.

"Your honor, it was the fault of the people I scammed that they got scammed. It is their fault that they're stupid. I should not go to jail." --- This is what you and pumper stumper believe.
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I-Glow I-Glow 2 weeks ago
You lost $200 and you are still defending ENZC and not accepting any responsibility for not doing any real DD and believing the hype.

Madoff was a weasel and got caught - and was sentenced to 150 years.

I don't approve of scammers that is why I work to expose them.

If as you believe - "Your honor, it was the fault of the people I scammed that they got scammed. It is their fault that they're stupid. I should not go to jail." why did I work to expose the ENZC scam.

I was talking to young real estate developer that had made millions - he told me - "no balls no blue chips" which means in order to get high-value results or rewards, you need to take risks or have the guts to go for it and blue chips are high value chips in poker. 2 years later he took a big risk and filed for Bankruptcy - because he thought he was 10 feet tall and bullet proof.

In business or investing examine the downside and the upside will take care of itself.

IG
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pumper_stumper pumper_stumper 2 weeks ago
Exactly right!!! One of my favorite sayings is capital preservation is a fundamental investing concept in the financial world..... except in the OTC Pinks where it's most needed.

You can always count on seeing a "it's too late to sell" post in a destroyed OTC.

Once again people can do whatever they want but there is a price or ignoring common sense and prudent basic financial concepts. People cannot be rewarded for dismissing common sense. So it's rewarding when you see the results when capital preservation is not practiced, like here! Learn or lose, it's that simple! The market doesn't care which you chose, and has no problem teaching lessons through losses.

Any sophisticated investors know when to cut their losses - but most OTC investors hang on and watch their investment disappear.
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I-Glow I-Glow 2 weeks ago
The OP didn't state: "scamming people is simply part of capitalism?

So, you believe that Madoff should not have gone to prison?"

My take is if you blindly invest on the OTC and don't do any research/DD - your losses are on you.

In the future stay away from OTC companies that claim to be in the Pharmaceutical business but aren't a SEC filer - because it is guaranteed to be a share selling scheme.

Did docsetc ever post any photos of the Texas A&M lab he claimed to visit?

Also any real pharmaceutical company would engage in FDA approved clinical trials.

IG
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I-Glow I-Glow 2 weeks ago
Most OTC investor only believe the hype and ignore the facts.

Any sophisticated investors know when to cut their losses - but most OTC investors hang on and watch their investment disappear.

IG
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price_and_volume price_and_volume 2 weeks ago
Dude it takes 2 to tango.
So, to you, scamming people is simply part of capitalism? Madoff was guilty of fraud, and deserved jail.

His investors were guilty of foolishly believing in returns that were too good to be true.

They believed they were the smarter-than-everyone-else chosen-ones - so yeah, some would say they deserved losses, which amazingly they never had to suffer during the belief-stage.

Whatever - get over yourself & Madoff - why not hold docsetc accountable for his fraud?

After all, this is the $ENZC board

#seeyouatthetop!
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